Candidate becomes Cult; Duckworth become Fuckworth

[crossposted from Political Dogfight which has a longer, more complete post.]
I got an email this morning that was moderately shocking although after all these years in politics nothing is too shocking. It does illustrate an important point in the world of Practical Politics.

This email starts with calling our nominated Candidate, Tammy Duckworth,...Fuckworth and gets worse in my opinion.

I have never received an email like this before and hope that publishing it, without the senders name, would show what happens when a candidate becomes a cult rather than a cause. I have more to say on that subject...but that's for another diary. I've already written a short piece about it on my own site.

But now on to this wonderful expression came this morning as a result of my defending Tammy Duckworth here as a result of people denigrating her service and sacrifice.

The Media mail piece that was the primary reason for being frontpaged over there so Matt Stroller could take his best shot at being a Media critic was not great, to say the least. (The Duckworth campaign should fire their Media person. I have another that is 100x better for direct mail and does most of the major candidates today) On to today's great communicator: (emphasis mine)

   

"you are not allowed to insult illinois 06 residents.  we are very active politically, even if we do not support fuckworth.

(Follow me on the flip)

   perhaps you should condiser volunteering for fuckworth if you find her and her campaign so convincing.  but insult those who are truly engaged with the local and progressive dynamics of illinois 06 is simply disgusting.  again, if you want to support fuckworth, then volunteer for her ineffective campaign.  besides, her support came FROM WITHOUT the district, not within."

   My reply to this eloquent soul, a male by the way in case you couldn't tell:

   

WOW great message.

   Since your message has such depth and clarity I think it needs a wider audience. It shows one of the main reasons Ms. Cegalis struggled so hard for actual votes, which DID come from within her district. Thanks for the show of the exact mentality of some of her supporters. It was this voice, not yours specifically BTW, that came through loud and clear during the Primary on the Blogs.

   Hope you vote for the Democrat on Election Day....otherwise...join another Party. The Big Dog

This is an example of a Candidate becoming a Cult, against, I'm sure, her wishes. Ms. Cegalis would be the first to disavow this email.  I am positive about that reality.

This is an example of some small part of what's wrong with the Democratic Party, The Democratic Party leadership at the State level and at the District level. We have a candidate. For better or worse, we, as Democrats, need to support her/him in an effort to take back our government. We will need to do the same in 2008.

Also, as I've said privately for some time and really have made an issue about in all the races where I am a consultant or staffer, all Candidates must begin to understand that controlling your bloggers is as important as any other campaign task. And if you don't have a staff blogger...that's just dumb. They can make you or break you.

BTW: I  never made one comment about the Il-06 District.



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Re: Candidate becomes Cult (none / 0)

I have never received an email like this before

If you put your e-address on the internet, you'd better expect to get some crank emails. It's indicative of nothing broad.

But now on to this wonderful expression came this morning as a result of my defending Tammy Duckworth here as a result of people denigrating her service and sacrifice.

I read all of the recent posts about Duckworth and don't remember anyone denigrating her service and sacrifice. If you can cite and link to what you're referring to it would be greatly appreciated. I've had to learn to not accept such claims at face value.

For better or worse, we, as Democrats, need to support her/him in an effort to take back our government.

Where do you draw the line -- or do you?

The fact is, some Democrats we're better off without.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:07:15 PM EST

Re: Candidate becomes Cult (none / 0)

Talk about a total lack a class, as another poster did about the wacko.....yours takes the cake.

It's alright to defame another person? Especially someone who paid the price for this nation is a war NONE of us want? nah I don't think so.

And after being on the Net longer than most...this is the first like this. So no this isn't a crank.

This is a loon.


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by BigDog on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 04:32:43 PM EST
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Lack of class (none / 0)

Ugh, total lack of class. I can guess who that is given the line "from without rather than within the district".

I was a Cegelis supporter and I can assure you that most of us would NEVER stoop to that level.

I don't agree with Tammy on everything but I think that overall she is a good candidate.


by bridgetdooley on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:08:50 PM EST

Re: Lack of class (none / 0)

I appreciate the comment. That's why I made sure to say that I knew Ms. Cegalis herself would NEVER accept such a letter. I know most of her supporters would not either.

Thanks for writing.


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by BigDog on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 04:33:59 PM EST
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Give me a break!!! (none / 0)

Tammy is no Zell Miller. Are you at all familiar with what she stands for?


by bridgetdooley on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:10:49 PM EST

Re: Give me a break!!! (none / 0)

Only in your mind did I equate Miller and Duckworth.

In reality, I asked where does one draw the line when it comes to toeing the party line. I constantly run into people who insist that candidates should be supported simply because they're Democrats regardless of anything else.

I ask again.....where do you draw the line -- or do you?


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:26:02 PM EST
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Re: Give me a break!!! (none / 0)

You draw the at the OUTRAGEOUS....like Zell Miller who admits to being a Republican.

Not at a Fighting Dem.


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by BigDog on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 04:35:26 PM EST
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Re: Give me a break!!! (none / 0)

Zell Miller is still a card carrying Democrat. And until he left office, a member of the DLC in good standing.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 07:42:54 PM EST
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Re: Give me a break!!! (none / 0)

Again a useless reply.


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by BigDog on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 12:36:05 AM EST
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Re: Give me a break!!! (none / 0)

Useless is whining about an anonymous email that should have been trashed and forgotten rather than being used as an ad hominem attack on everyone who disagrees with your rightwing ideology.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 11:53:02 AM EST
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Well (3.00 / 1)

I agree with you. I'm not sure if we are talking about the same person, but I also received an email telling me that was kind of rude. I was basically told that I shouldn't comment on IL-6 because "I know nothing about the district".

I fully understand what you are saying. This reminds me of the time when Jane Harman came to DKos a few months ago. It was right before her primary against Marcy Winograd. Winograd's supporters insulted her, treated poorly, and acted unprofessionally. They were very immature in how they voiced their disagreements with her. Same thing when other "less than ideal" Democrats have come to Kos and other "progressive blogs"--a group of posters comes out and insults them.

You are right about how bloggers can impact candidates and their races. In the Harman thread a lone the behavior of some of Winograd's supporters turned off people who would have considered her otherwise. How someone's supporters acts, rightly or wrongly, can reflect upon how others see that candidate.

This reminds me of the Pennachio campaign. Many of their supporters were just rude as Cegelis's supporters. They were often snide and self-righteous. Even though I was never supportive of Pennachio their comments turned me off to him even more.

As for the whole IL-6 matter I didn't necessarily think it was right for the DCCC to meddle the way that they did. However, there was a primary; and Cegelis didn't win. Her supporters evidently can't accept the fact that ordinary Democratic voters in the IL-6 chose Duckworth. And if Cegelis had the "support" that her followers claimed it evidently didn't register in the March primary. For the votes speak louder than anything else. Duckworth won the primary; Cegelis didn't. I didn't like how Cegelis was treated; but, in the end, if she did have the "support" that people here claimed she did, she would have won the primary.

The behavior that you mention is one of the reasons that I am skeptical about the "netroots" and their "influence". For rude and shrill comments like that, especially to elected officials like Jane Harman, don't reflect positively on the "netroots". If anytyhing someone like Harman would probably perceive the thread with the insults that she participated in to be "proof" that the "netroots is filled with extremists".

I cringe when I hear the term "netroots". What I think of are the people who throw out those insults, act in a juvenile fashion, and then expected politicans to take them seriously. I know that this isn't the true impression of the "netroots", but those people give the term a very bad name. And if the "netroots" wants to be taken seriously by the much-maligned "establishment", acting in a juvenile and immature fashion isn't going to do it.

You write:

"This is an example of some small part of what's wrong with the Democratic Party, The Democratic Party leadership at the State level and at the District level. We have a candidate. For better or worse, we, as Democrats, need to support her/him in an effort to take back our government. We will need to do the same in 2008."

Of course you make a very good point. Unfortunately there are way too many people here on this and other "progressive" blogs who want to "send messages" than actually win. Look at the hostility toward Melissa Bean here. Her detractors would rather have her lose, perhaps costing the Democrats control of Congress, resulting in the election of someone completely hostile to ALL progressive ideals, because she can't vote like Barbara Boxer. They don't seem to realize that a Barbara Boxer-style Democrat can't win in a district that is overwhelmingly affluent, home to many corporate headquaters, dominated by upper level white collare employees such as CEOs, and that voted for Bush II with 56% of the vote in 2004. That type of district isn't going to elect the type of "Democrat" that many people around here want. Unfortunately some people here refuse to believe that.

It is kind of sad. I call the liberals that you described to be "matryr liberals". For some messed-up reason they would rather lose than win. To them, in their perverse logic, losing is a form of "winning". They take pride in their marginalization and aren't really interested in governance. So they push and embrace lost/futile/vain causes (Chuck Pennachio, for example) and then get angry when either Democratic primary voters reject their choices soundly or when their candidates don't win general elections.

So I agree with you. But unfortunately, among the left, there are some people who want to lose. And this is one thing I will say about the conservative right that I admire: they actually want to win. They don't force impossible litmus tests on blue-state/blue-district Republicans the way many people here push those same strident demands on red-state/red-district Democrats.


by jiacinto on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:35:28 PM EST

Re: Well (none / 0)

But unfortunately, among the left, there are some people who want to lose.

That's a another claim without basis of fact.

The fact is, the Democratic Right has a record not just of losing, but also of selling out their party and its constituents at every opportunity.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:42:08 PM EST
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Re: Well (none / 0)

No..

But unfortunately, among the left, there are some people who want to lose.

There was an actual post here yesterday from an individual wanting Ms. Bean to lose as it would be far better for the Party. A single line actually.

There are many that will have one target or another.

The 'gentleman' that wrote me about Ms. Duckworth would LOVE to see her lose.

I'm afraid those of us who use the blogs forget that a vast majority of actual voters never, ever read one of our favorite blogs...or any blogs.

Cegalis/Duckworth was a pure shame.

Candidates have to understand that comments here can damage their campaign MORE quickly than help it.


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by BigDog on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 04:44:19 PM EST
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Re: Well (none / 0)

The 'gentleman' that wrote me about Ms. Duckworth would LOVE to see her lose.

Since you don't know anything about that person (except for Sherlock Holmes like deductions about his identity by some) he could be a Republican -- who of course not only wants Duckworth to lose, but also to create infighting among Democrats.

There's very little on the internet that can be taken at face value -- in fact, I'm still waiting for the links to those posts you claim were "denigrating her service and sacrifice."

And come to think of it -- it's you who chose to drop this stink bomb diary on MyDD. Maybe you're the one who is trying to create infighting?

And finally, I know how you feel about the supporters of some candidates turning you off. That's what Edwardiacs do to me.


With Democrats Lieberman goes for the jugular. With Republicans he goes for the lips.
by Sitkah on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 06:33:32 PM EST
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Re: Well (none / 0)

I could give you his Identity...his screen name (email) which is directly tied to the district and much more...why the hell should I?

I choose to follow the logical line of deduction from the behavior during the Primary and after as well as the actual words of the email.

He's no Republican. He's a misguided Cegalis supporter and if I published his screen name some here would recognize it.

I see no purpose is embarassing or enflaming a person.

You, Sitkah, refuse to accept my experience as real and want to challenge all assumptions or facts as false.

My post had a number of points for and about candidates and bloggers that could be useful for them. That was the purpose of the post. I find you have added nothing positive.

If I wanted to simply strike at someone I could simply have revealed the gentleman's name, address, phone, email address etc.

I don't do that. There can be a comity about political discussion although some make it difficult.

As to links...it was on the thread with the mail piece yesterday. And do your own homework.

But here's a few pieces:

I want Bean to lose. Our Party deserves no less.---from Blogswarm

Didn't we learn in 2002 and 2004 that uniforms don't convince people that Democrats make good Republicans?---Matt Stroller original author of post

Matt.. I disagree (3.00 / 4)

She actually was in the military and nearly lost her life (she did loose many parts of her body and is an inspiration to many)... yes she is green in the ways of politics.  I see no problem with this unless you are absolutly against anything military.

This type of mailing would not appeal to me but it does to others.  Look at the bigger picture.---from kevin22262

Now I have a campaign to work on.


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by BigDog on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 07:42:00 PM EST
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That's a former myDD user (3.00 / 1)

The phrase "those who are truly engaged with the local and progressive dynamics of illinois 06" is pretty much verbatim from the playbook of the myDD user illinois062006, who myDD old-timers will probably better remember as metonym, author of perhaps the greatest GBCW diary in all blogosphere history. (If I recall, he did make at least one reference to "Fuckworth," and when called out on, claimed it was a typo.)


by Crazy Vaclav on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 04:56:29 PM EST

Re: That's a former myDD user (none / 0)

Interesting that you would remember that.....


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by BigDog on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 07:42:48 PM EST
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Re: That's a former myDD user (none / 0)

It's the only name that came to mind to me as well.  Did he refer to her as "Ladda" as well?

He was re-banned from here again a few months ago for ratings abuse.  Here's the final thread.

metonym
Formalist
ilyayavitz
illinois062006


by Adam B on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 11:26:20 AM EST
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Re: That's a former myDD user (none / 0)

Man, I hated that guy. Mind-numbingly arrogant, mean-spirited, and with a persecution complex. I remember when he called Duckworth "Fuckworth". I also remember when he compared Hyde's senility to Duckworth's crippling injuries, the only (apparently) logical conclusion being that only Cegelis could effectively do the job. He's also the guy who tried to anonymously post a clip of a crippled girl trying to dance while linking it to Duckworth on Soapblox Chicago.

Here's something for you, Sitkah. I'm not willing to go through the trash that was/is Illinois062006's posts, but he said multiple times that he's just as much of a hero as Duckworth because he graduated from college (once, he even said he was more of a hero than her, because apparently she left for Iraq before completing a Master's degree, while he completed his. In his mind, that made him superior). He also continually stated that Duckworth shouldn't get any sympathy for her injuries because she got them in a war that she apparently knew was illegal.


by JRyan on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 10:31:46 PM EST
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